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Sounds like a winner, Dave!

Yeah, both great additions, thanks as always boss man!

Back to the groups topic: I'm still on 18 and reading thru before my upgrade. I have the same problem with groups for ONE of my files in V18 whereas the other files and new files will still stringline and group as per normal. It is a medium floor plan with 3 floors worth of info in 190 layers and all of a sudden the grouping stopped. Not a big file size. I kept banging around looking for a setting to no avail thinking that I might have hit a wrong keystroke or something to screw up the grouping. I'm at the point where I am going to try and layer utility out and start a new file as soon as I can reset my drawing timer.