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Well, its about time that someone got it together and brought us all together. Thank you Mark for careing about your users out there. I had gotten on a yahoo group that I thought was for Datacad, But to my dissapointment it was something else. You all will be hearing a lot from me, I have never gotten with Cheap Tricks and have always been on my own. I learned Datacad just out of high school after I had taken a Autocad 9 class. Working with others along the way I am now what you could say a 14 year user. I really have to say that Datacad has come a long way and can't wait for the next updates.