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#45401 by Neil Blanchard
Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:11 am
Hi,

John Britten designed and built these amazing machines: they have (at least) 5 major design elements: "skin & bones" carbon fiber wheels, beam suspension with no "stiction" and controllable geometry, 4-valve hand cast stressed member engine in frame-less chassis, unique aerodynamics (dubbed "torpedo over blade"), and the fully ducted cooling system that made this narrow design possible. It weighs just 145kg (320 pounds).

John Britten on Wikipedia
Top Gear on Britten
Isle of Man TT race video
Best Motorcycles Ever #6
Britten V1000 Superbike Motorcycle - History

These are especially delicious for us aspiring engineering types!

Britten Bike Story - One Man's Dream Pt1
Britten Bike Story - One Man's Dream Pt2
Britten Bike Story - One Man's Dream Pt3
Britten Bike Story - One Man's Dream Pt4
Britten Bike Story - One Man's Dream Pt5
Britten Bike Story - One Man's Dream Pt6
Britten Bike Story - One Man's Dream Pt7
Britten Bike Story - One Man's Dream Pt8
Britten Bike Story - One Man's Dream Pt9

Front view showing cooling intake scoops:
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Profile/side view showing all the goodness (carbon fiber wheels and beam suspension, stressed member engine, unique aerodynamics):
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Rear cooling exhaust vent:
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#45518 by Neil Blanchard
Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:11 pm
Hello,

Here's a really smart idea that I'm surprised that I have not heard about before:

http://features.csmonitor.com/environment/2009/04/28/in-israel-solar-power-that-wont-need-subsidies/

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They cool the PV with water to make it more efficient, and they can also use the heat that is gathered. It's as obvious as the nose on your face!


There are metal roofs for houses that do similar things: they collect both PV and heat energy in the same roof (and you can collect rain water, too).

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(It looks like the PV laminate is on the shed dormer.)

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#45519 by joshhuggins
Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:44 am
We are actually looking at doing some foundation calcs for a possible huge plant full of these dishes, 3000 to 6000 I think. Don't know if they will be using a similar system as taking advantage of the water aspect of it, unless they are planning to run a steam generator as well, haven't heard of any plans for that yet. We're also doing tracks of the smaller oil filled channel types for steam generators so maybe they will tie into that system. I don't remember the exact location of the plant, somewhere between the central valley and southern California. It's exciting to finally see solar getting some real positive movement beyond the typical panel type systems.

I really like how well the roof system blends. If they could have just finished it to the edge ;) I was reading somewhere about a possible membrane type of collector which is applied via a spray application or rolled on like a hot mop type system. Have you heard anything about something like this? Thanks for the info.
#45521 by Neil Blanchard
Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:53 am
Hi Josh,

I'm very glad to hear about any large scale renewable energy plan! I hope that wind power moves along quickly (as it is quite viable now, with improvements to come). A thousand large turbines equal a nuclear power plant, and I'll bet the lifetime cost comparison is strongly in favor of the turbines. They could/should be built on all the idled vehicle production lines in the country.

Solar PV and solar heat are also ready to go -- we cannot let the perfect be the enemy of the good! Concentrated PV gets a lot out of a little silicon. And solar heat is much more efficient than PV. Storage of the heat is becoming more and more feasible -- even if it is just a few hours, it will help a lot. I think that a few days are now possible -- or longer. And, the Scientific American study for using large scale solar (heat and PV) talked about using air compressors to hold excess electrical energy underground in depleted natural gas formations. In Germany, they use a hydropower plant with an elevated reservoir -- when there is excess power from wind and/or solar, they pump water up to the reservoir, and then use it to generate electricity when the wind is not blowing at night.

This looks pretty interesting! (Re: title of this post)

http://www.physorg.com/news180713660.html

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#45528 by Neil Blanchard
Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:10 pm
Hello,

Here's a relatively small scale solar heat collection system, that can be used for several things: use for heat and/or A/C, make electricity, or for industrial purposes, to name the main one. They also have heat storage systems so that you can use the heat on cloudy days and/or at night.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/12/the-holy-grail-for-renewable-energy.php?smid=FBTRH-FBS-ART

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#45566 by Neil Blanchard
Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:55 pm
I got this from Greg Barriere:

YES, IT IS A 13 STORY BUILDING LYING ON THE GROUND.
http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2009 ... ly-intact/
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(1) An underground garage was being dug on the south side, to a depth of 4.6 meters
(2) The excavated dirt was being piled up on the north side, to a height of 10 meters
(3) The building experienced uneven lateral pressure from south and north
(4) This resulted in a lateral pressure of 3,000 tonnes, which was greater than what the pilings could tolerate.
Thus the building toppled over in the southerly direction.
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First, the apartment building was constructed
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Then the plan called for an underground garage to be dug out.
The excavated soil was piled up on the other side of the building.
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Heavy rains resulted in water seeping into the ground..
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The building began to shift and the concrete pilings were snapped
due to the uneven lateral pressures.

The building began to tilt.
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And thus came the eighth wonder of the world.
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If the buildings were closer together there would also have been a domino effect.
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They built 13 stories on grade, with no basement, and tied it all down to hollow pilings with no rebar.
#45568 by joshhuggins
Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:28 pm
Yeah this was nuts, our engineers were looking at this a few months ago.
#45588 by Neil Blanchard
Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:03 pm
Hi,

Well, in browsing around looking for a compact receiver with a built-in CD/iPod player, I found a couple of very good looking units (NAD and Cambridge Audio) but this one takes the cake:

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(click on image for Stereophile review)

Can you spot the volume control? It is on the top of the right corner leg.
Can you spot the input selector? It is on the top of the left corner leg.
Can you spot the CD Play/Pause/Track control? It is the "mini-joystick" to the right of the CD turntable.

And oh yeah -- it is a whopping 3watts of single-ended (Class A) vacuum tube power. It has a toroidial power transformer.

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The CD drive is wicked cool -- the blue-lit acrylic turntable spins. Apparently the tuner works very well. The build quality looks to be stunning. The sound quality is "borderline awesome" according to the Sterophile reviewer.

I want one. (If it charged the iPod, it would be virtually perfect!)
#46045 by Neil Blanchard
Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:42 am
Here is the full updated list of vehicle efficiencies:

I want to try to list steps that car makers, and drivers could/should take to improve the fuel efficiency, in approximate order of cost:

The most obvious improvement to cars, would be to mold the plastic on the front of the vehicle to be smooth and round, with grill openings that are sized (and placed) only as required to cool the engine. Some new plastic bumper covers and grill pieces could be snapped onto cars. Flush covers should be used on all lights. Fairing pieces could be added to side mirrors. Hood gap gaskets, and streamlined wheel covers are easy, too.

All these improvements (above) can add at least 10% and as much as 25% to the fuel economy. Here's more:

* Sealing all the seams and joints (with gaskets or backing flanges) in the high pressure areas of the vehicle.

* Smooth floor pans with no sharp protrusions -- this is part of the drag just as much as the parts of the car that can be easily seen. Smoothing the underside with covers (like the EV-1).

* Transmission ratios should be optimized for efficiency at normal driving speeds. Higher gearing with 6-7 speeds would be optimal (smaller engines need more gears to work efficiently); or CVT transmissions.

* Narrower and lighter, LRR (low rolling resistance) tires should be used.

* Average & "instant" MPG displays, that are on all the time. The new Honda Insight, the 3rd gen Prius, and some Ford models, have excellent displays that help the driver be more efficient.

* Throttle control (rather than cruise/speed control!) that maintains even throttle in a user-set speed range, with minimal throttle increases to maintain the speed in that range.

* Tire pressure monitor, that warns the driver when the tires get below the recommended pressure (which could be adjusted upwards if the driver wants to run a pressure up to the tire sidewall maximum). Or better yet:fill tires with foam,so they would never deflate, and minimize rolling resistance.

* Efficient and effective fresh air flow through the vehicle, with intakes on a high pressure area, and exhaust vent(s) out the back of the vehicle into the low pressure wake zone, to reduce drag as much as possible.

* Coat all the window glass to exclude as much heat as possible. With effective fresh air flow (see above) this may completely avoid the need for A/C (see below).

* On defrost mode, the A/C should only come on automatically at maximum defrost (if at all), and it should be on a timer of ~1 minute, and it should always be toggled on/off by the driver. I would prefer to make A/C on the defrost setting optional.

* Efficient lights such as LED's and HID, that use a little power as possible while functioning as well (or better) than incandescent lights.

* Lower consumption electronics, such as A/C, fans and audio systems. Some/all of these could be powered by solar PV panels with a robust battery system; even in conventional internal combustion engine (aka ICE) powered cars.

* Active grill, that opens when more cooling air is needed, but remains closed – and is more aerodynamic most of the time. This can also be done passively with the right airfoil shapes that effectively closes off air flow when the velocity goes up.

* Wheel alignment and brake drag needs to be minimized, easy to adjust, and robust – to maximize rolling efficiency.

* Fully ducted engine cooling system, with the intake down low on the front, and the exhaust flows into a low pressure zone; minimizing the size of the radiator and the reducing the "internal" drag as much as possible. The Britten V1100 (racing) motorcycle is an good example of how this could work. NASCAR has shown that for a fully ducted cooling system, you only need 16 sq in for every 100HP.

* Video cameras and screens in place of side mirrors. This would help a lot with aerodynamics. An example of this starts in post #167: http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/showthrea...s-2969-17.html

* Automatic engine shut off and start up; at least with CVT (or automatic) transmissions -- and possibly with standard shifts, based on having both the clutch and the brake applied?

* Lean burn in low vacuum conditions. Use variable valve timing to gain efficiencies.

* Store hot coolant in a vacuum insulated tank, to speed up warm-up time; a-la what the 2nd generation Prius does. Or, do what the 3rd generation Prius does: heat the coolant quickly using the exhaust heat. Preheating intake air would also help fully vaporize the fuel; making it higher efficiency.

* Tighten up wheel openings, and always use aerodynamically designed wheels/covers, with rear wheel skirts (at least optional).

* Make roof racks removable. Years ago, I saw a "papoose" add-on storage system that locked onto the back of the car, with a single caster wheel to support the weight -- it tucked completely into the air flow behind the car; and it would be a great way to add storage space when needed; that did not affect how you drove very much. It could actually greatly improve the overall aerodynamic drag of the vehicle.

* An item that has indirect benefits: instead of thick foam and spring seats, they should be mesh or fabric stretched onto frames that provide the right ergonomic shape and provide good support without weighing so much, and taking up a lot of space. This allows a smaller and lighter vehicle because the size of car can be smaller and/or just have more room. Mesh seats would be much cooler in hot weather, and reduce/eliminate the need for A/C.

* Regenerative shock absorbers: MIT has a method of using hydraulics to drive a generator, eliminating the need for a mechanically driven alternator; or, to charge the electric drive batteries. These can also be used to lift and level the vehicle, to improve aerodynamics under different loads.

* Use a composite wheel/tire that has low weight, very low rolling resistance (by being strong enough to stay round), and low aerodynamic drag, no worries about inflation -- and re-tune the suspension to work with said wheel/tire. (see item above) This could gain even more energy, since very little would be damped by the tires.

* Multiple car door latches could be used to increase strength & safety of the chassis -- helps to further reduce weight, increase strength & rigidity, without requiring an unusual entry method (such as the VW 1 Liter car or the Loremo).

* For new 4-cylinder engine designs, the crankshaft could be split with a hydraulic coupling that can automatically disengage two cylinders completely; saving all the pumping and friction losses, for situations when 2 cylinders are enough to provide the required torque to move the vehicle. There are also cam-driven designs that about double the efficiency of the ICE.

* Nissan is (supposedly) going to reduce their cars weight by ~15%. I think all cars could be reduced by 20-30% with smarter steel fabrications, smarter use of materials. Here's a site that shows a steel chassis that is 25% lighter and nearly twice as stiff/strong as a conventional steel chassis:

http://www.bluescopesteel.com.au/go/...ulsab-project/

* Use an EV drive train, combining batteries and a supercapacitor, and a "smart" controller, that makes use of GPS and elevation data, to use the supercap for the high current regenerative charging and short(er) duration acceleration, and/or to then charge the battery at a rate that does not stress them. In other words, using the supercap as an I/O energy cache, to reduce the requirements on the battery. This can either reduce the cost of the battery, and/or increase the battery lifespan and probably increase range; especially in high traffic urban driving or in hilly conditions. Driving on flat terrain at (more or less) constant speed probably will be more dependent on the battery, and less on the supercapacitor.

* Make every vehicle with a plug-in electric w/ serial hybrid ICE drive train, with regenerative braking. Use a cam driven engine that spins the armature and the stator in both (counter-rotating) directions, to charge traction batteries. The engine could have rotary valves to reduce parasitic losses. It would run at it's ideal RPM to drive the torque load of the alternator.

* Serial hybrids should use some of the energy near the end of the battery charge to run a block heater to warm up the ICE.

* Use the ICE coolant system to cool the electric motor, the electric controller, and/or the battery pack — it would preheat the engine for start up & help to heat the cab reducing the need for electric heating.

* Rework the overall shape of the vehicle to reduce drag. Cd of 0.16-0.25 are achievable! The 1937 Schlör “Pillbug” seats 5-7 people and has a Cd of 0.13 – this car should used a model! Also, the early model of the Mercedes “Bionic” car (aka the “Boxfish”) had a Cd of just 0.095 (the later Bionic car was still excellent at 0.19) and would also be a great place to start.

Is there anything that I left out?
#46057 by Nick Pyner
Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:17 pm
Neil Blanchard wrote:
* Store hot coolant in a vacuum insulated tank, to speed up warm-up time; a-la what the 2nd generation Prius does. Or, do what the 3rd generation Prius does: heat the coolant quickly using the exhaust heat.


The first option means carting more water around in a system that only works when the car isn't, which probably explains why the third generation Prius does what it does,
and I suspect a ten year old Honda does the same thing. In the unlikely event that you need to get serious about this, you might install
an immersion heater in the sump as commonly advertised in Popular Mechanics in the 1940s.

Preheating intake air would also help fully vaporize the fuel; making it higher efficiency.


Cold air means denser air which means greater volumetric efficiency.

http://forum.datacad.com/viewtopic.php? ... &start=165


Is there anything that I left out?


55mph speed limit?
#46759 by Mark F. Madura
Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:46 pm
I was reading about the new smart fortwo (lithium-ion) electric drive which is now available in the UK. It may be available in the US in 2012. Of particular interest to me is this claim:

"Powered solely by electricity, and chargeable from any three-pin socket the smart electric drive can achieve the equivalent of 300 mpg – that amounts to a saving of up to 80% in fuel costs over the already highly economical smart fortwo."

Upon further reading I found another claim that a full charge costs approx. 2 Euros ($2.74 USD) which should provide a distance of 135 km (83.88 miles). With my current smart I'm averaging 35 mpg around town which is ~10 cents per mile at $3.15 / gallon.

The electric smart fortwo marketing materials suggest $2.74 USD / 83.88 miles, or only 4 cents per mile.

This seems to good to be true.

MFM
#46760 by David A. Giesselman
Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:14 pm
Throw some solar panels up on the roof with a dedicated circuit to the garage and drive for free! :D

Dave
#46761 by David A. Giesselman
Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:25 pm
Neil Blanchard wrote:...
* Regenerative shock absorbers: MIT has a method of using hydraulics to drive a generator, eliminating the need for a mechanically driven alternator; or, to charge the electric drive batteries. These can also be used to lift and level the vehicle, to improve aerodynamics under different loads.

There is also an electromagnetic variant being developed at Tufts.

Dave

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